Lots of conversation about predictive texting, I would like to add my recent blog post to the mix 
https://mudita.com/community/blog/predictive-texting-the-need-for-speed/ Check it out & let me know your thoughts.
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This was a very interesting argument to consider about the harm that might come with predictive text. Similar arguments and studies appear when we study the effects of modern GPS navigation, and I never really considered these effects when it came to the way I have been texting my entire life.
On the other hand as someone who recently began to use a feature phone with a numerical keypad, it has been difficult to ignore how much time it now takes to send short texts even with predictive text. As someone who has switched to a feature phone to avoid distraction, it has been quite annoying to spend unnecessarily large amount of time to send short texts to my parents when they are checking up on me when I hang out with friends. Just some of my perspective I guess.
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@ALEJANDRO_LOPEZ I do agree with you. The technology is great, and although it may have some unintended consequences, it is pretty annoying to live without it once you’re accustomed to having it in your life,
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Predictive text is essential, I think. Especially with a alphanumeric keyboard phone.
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To get back on topic: what kind of predictive text will be used or are candidates other than T9?
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@thinkround because of the delay, we do want to take advantage of the additional months for additional software development. Currently we’re in the process of verifying which option would be better for us. However, we did notice the subject of predictive texting is a very popular one. I’m definitely bringing this to our teams attention. There are more than 2 threads on this forum with discussions concerning predictive texting. We definitely see how important this feature is for buyers.
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Now that’s a well thought out article featuring many key points to consider. It’s almost like when we have too much to choose from, we end up wasting time searching.
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As we approach the ship date, I wonder if there’s been any word on this?
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I just signed up here specifically to follow this. I’ve been following the Pure since 2019, but have yet to pull the trigger for a few reasons. Primarily the input method. While I would prefer a QWERTY device similar to my very outdated BlackBerry Q10, since the pure has a standard keypad T9 or something similar is going to be necessary. I’ve used triple tap on other devices and without predictive it just becomes a chore.
I can live without smartphone features, but a quick, reliable input method is crucial. Else, I’d spend more time trying to type out a response than I would if I had just used my iPhone in the first place. Though for longer replies or messages I tend to use my iPad + Smart Keyboard. It would be awesome if the Pure could connect to an iOS device, but using my Mac desktop when I’m home with Mudita Center should still suffice. Most of my chats with my family are through Telegram anyway and I’ll still use my iPad. Just want to get rid of the constant nag from my iPhone while I’m out and about most days.
Curious to hear what form of predictive text is actually going to make it to production.
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Any news for us from the team, urszula?
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Regardless of whether you go for t9 or another method, can I suggest that you look at modern Nokia feature phones as an example of what not to do. The frustrating sequence of switching between predictive, lower case,upper and numbers is cumbersome. The lack of auto punctuation after double space or a full stop is irritating.
I understand the ethos of making a message be an act of paying attention to detail, but one should not have to fight against an unintuitive input method.
Easier said than done I’m sure.
Typed on what I wish was a blackberry classic.
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@iota 100% agreed - I have exactly the same gripes with the recent Nokia feature phones. I used the 2013 version of the Nokia 106 for several years and was happy with the texting experience. Having tried several of the new Nokia dumbphones, none of them come even close. (There are also several other bugs in the user interfaces of the new 105, 225 4G). Nokia’s customer support don’t seem willing to address any concerns.
If Mudita were to implement an efficient, bug-free T9, we’d be onto an absolute market winner IMO. I believe there is a definite need for T9 or similar - the non-predictive approach is simply too slow. More generally from a user experience perspective, writing a message on a keypad should be at least as efficient as people remember from the classic phones. I know I would prefer to write that text and put the phone away, rather than toil away for minutes, knowing that I could have accomplished the same task with ease on old hardware.
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Absolutely!
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100% agreed! I love my Q10 that I still have, though without VoLTE, it’s days are literally numbered here on Verizon in the US. I also had a Classic for quite a while but sold it a few years ago since it wasn’t compatible with Verizon (was an AT&T model).
Who knows, perhaps in 202X we’ll see a Mudita QWERTY phone for the fans out there. I know the Unihertz Titan Pocket is new on the market, and that’s great to see. But I’d love to see something with Mudita’s approach and design paired with that experience. Till then, I’ll keep up with the Pure!
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That makes me wonder about a future phone from mudita. If the screen is not used for media consumption, it becomes less important which way it is orientated. The conventional screen above buttons may not be the best way.
You could have a square device with qwerty underneath a golden-ratio rectangular screen. Or, another rectangle rotated 90degrees with the screen located between each half of a qwerty keyboard (think n-gage).
There’s scope to launch well outside the box.
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If you guys will implement predictive text let me say this. The best T9 I have seen in modern feature phones is in Nokia 225 (4G). You can take a look at that one to see how it’s done. (AFAIK, the original T9 is still patented). However, even that one has a bit of a downgrade from the phones of 2000’s. Here is a link to a post on Nokia’s community website where some user explained the issue:
Here is the relevant parts of the issue:
[…] there seems to be one massive UI flaw: When pressing the # key, the text entry modes cycle through as follows:
T9 Abc
T9 abc
T9 ABC
Non-T9 Abc
Non-T9 abc
Non-T9 ABC
[…] But what if you want to capitalise the first letter of someone’s name mid-sentence? If you’re using T9, you have to press # five times, to get from mode 2 to mode 1. The ordering is far more intuitive (and less work) on my old Nokia 106.1:
T9 abc
T9 Abc
T9 ABC
Non-T9 abc
Non-T9 Abc
Non-T9 ABC
Highlighted parts are mine.
Please take this into consideration when/if (hopefully) implementing T9.
As a side-note (warning: going off-topic here) 2 other users (including the one from above) complained about inability to access SIM contacts:
I didn’t find a way to use the SIM to store contacts, instead I had to copy them to the device first.
No option to use contacts from SIM which is supported on all Nokia feature phones till now.
(Highlighting is not mine).
I made a post about it, asking if being able to support SIM contacts natively is going to be in Mudita phone. I just wanted to point out that this is important, fundamental feature of the phone and people complain when it’s lacking.
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@alexlya I am the author of that post on the Nokia forums. 
Well, I would actually say that the Nokia 225 4G can possibly be improved further still. Instead of having the # key cycle through all the modes as above, make long # press switch between T9 and non-predictive modes. That’s how I remember it was on the older models, which seems more sensible IMO. I don’t have a 225 available to test, but I also seem to remember that there was something to be improved about the way the * and 1 keys worked as well for entering special characters. Insofar, I agree with what @iota said - in the new phones the know-how about how to make a good T9 seems to have been lost.
Do you know if T9 is really still patented? The Wikipedia page says the patents already expired.
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Wow. Small world!
Yeah, it’s been a long time since I used original T9. Don’t remember exactly how it works.
In 225 while in T9 mode pressing 1 creates a dot. Then you have to use down/up key to select a different symbol. If you will press 1 for the second time it displays some emojis and some useless (I think) symbol combinations like this:
“:)” “:(” [some more emojis] “…” “.,” “.-” “.?”. Again, you need to switch to down/up key to select. If you press 1 for the third time it displays list of pure emojis which you have to select with down/up keys. Pressing 1 for the 4th time insert “:-)” emoji and inserts a dot.
-_-
I think pressing 1 should just go to the next symbol like this:
. --> , --> - --> ? --> … and so on.
Pressing * displays a grid of symbols, which I do like actually.
Holding # bring up that menu where you adjust volume, brightness, bluetooth, data on/of and predictive text. Not useful at all. It would be more convenient to switch between T9 and Abc, I agree.
Yeah, if wiki says T9 patents expired then it’s probably correct. I looked at patent website - it’s not obviously clear what the expiration date is.
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@boneblack We are finalizing all the details on the predictive texting. One item of news that I was able to get out of our team is that predictive texting will be a feature that the user can enable or disable.
PS: Sorry for the late reply- I was on vacation 
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