The long read: Why I'm unsure about getting the MK as a Scandinavian

I hope the MK has let you guys reclaim your attention spans, because now that I have begun writing, I sense that this post might become a so-called “long read”. There will be multiple em-dashes and lists, but that’s just my writing style, not the output of an AI. You have my word that the words are mine.

My aim in writing this post is fourfold::

  1. To contribute with a case study to illustrate how my qualms about getting the MK is born from the circumstances that I find myself within (particularly as a Scandinavian) and the way I think about things. This will hopefully be valuable to both the Mudita team and to current and potential users of the MK.
  2. To bring in some fresh perspectives on the topic of digital life, mental health, sustainability, security, culture, and so on.
  3. To seek advice about how the MK could be made to work for me—if that’s even possible—or about alternative devices.
  4. To issue a warning.about the destination that countries are heading towards if they take the same path as Scandinavia has taken in the pursuit of digitalization and eternal economic growth.

My claim is that in today’s world, but especially in Scandinavia, it is simply not possible to use a mobile device which may simultaneously retain your mental health, be somewhat sustainable, and secure your information. To put it a bit ostentatiously, you can pick only one of the three.

But first, some background on me and the culture in which i live.

I’ve been looking for a less life-wrecking mobile device to replace my decade-old 1st gen iPhone SE, which, although still working fairly well, has been labeled obsolete by a certain fraternity of ghouls in Silicon Valley. It will no longer receive security upgrades, and important apps on it are getting whacked by the hour. I’ve seen some posts by other Scandinavians on this forum who are struggling to make the dumbphone or semi-smartphone life work for them, and their grievances seem to be quite similar to mine. This is my perspective on The Digitized Scandi Experience:

Overall, infrastructures which support living a simultaneously de-googled, private/secure, sustainable, mentally healthy, and smartphone-free life is gradually being phased out, while smartphone/app-based solutions are proliferating throughout the fabric of everyday life, locking the technology in place through new, tech-reliant social norms and expectations. Scandinavia has gotten so far down this path that it is practically and socially impossible—at least tremendously inconvenient—to live without a smartphone. As in many other countries, there is a rising counterculture of people who use dumbphones, but many of them cave in after less than a year. Their failure is not simply due to personal weakness, but a result of the infrastructural (and even social) marginalization that accompanies the dumbphone, which makes the low-tech life unbearable for most people in the long run.

In the replies to the posts of Scandinavians on this forum and others, some people seem to attribute the Scandis’ failure to live with the MK or other dumbphones to them personally, especially when Scandinavian users ask for more features on the MK, to which some replies suggest that they have misunderstood the purpose of the MK and that they should just "buy another smartphone that fulfils [their] wishes». But in much the same way that a lack of cycling infrastructure leads to cyclists being loathed both on the road and on the sidewalk (and also on the grotesque Scandinavian “combined paths”), countercultural Scandinavians are stuck between two camps, neither of which can appropriately meet their needs. Both camps tend to demand some sense of purity, in the sense that the devices and their users should not contaminate each other, but rather stick to their respective philosophies. Smartphone junkies demand conspicuous consumption, constant availability, and neverending content. Mudita purists (pun intended) somewhat understandably resist feature-creep and re-googling of their device, and some even tell Scandi users to just get a smartphone when they beg for features that are necessary in their lives. The sad reality is that many Scandi users do not fit neatly into any category, and are forced to be neither-nor by the sociocultural circumstances in which they live. This is because they have way fewer realistic options to live smartphone-free than, say, Polish users, for instance due to payments in cash being exceedingly rare in Scandinavia, which drastically increases the need for banking apps, which unfortunately are not securely supported on the MK, hence the need for more (secure) features.

To further exemplify, public transportation and parking in Scandinavia is absolutely terrible without using a smartphone. Due to the prevalence of parking apps (which require Google Play and a recently updated OS), maintainance and repair of parking machines is not prioritized, and the machines typically stay broken for years while their displays declare “USE THE APP”—just to really rub it in. It’s possible to buy a physical travel card for public transportation, but if you live in the districts, you have to travel to the bus company’s headquarters in the capital city to refill it every month. Allternatively, single use tickets are sold in a select few kiosks, but you’re screwed if you don’t live close to one. If you nonetheless get a physical card, validators onboard the buses and trains are often broken, and you’ll be fined anyway. Well, sure, you can sideload some of the transport apps on the MK, but they require storing your card information, which is strongly advised against by the Mudita team for security reasons (as far as I’ve understood). It’s also unclear whether and when these essential sideloaded apps will suddenly stop working on the MK, which is stressful enough in itself.

And that is just the practical side of things; the social and emotional side is much worse. Due to the normalization of app-based solutions throughout society, paired with the erosion of low-tech infrastructures, social norms and expectations have mutated to fit with smartphone technology. Schools, universities and workplaces use apps for communication and authentication, and expect you to use them lest you risk being labeled as uncooperative or downright unfit for parenthood or work. Moreover, since so many practices in society are digitized, choosing to live smartphone-free places a very real burden upon the people close to you, who must pay for your stuff or follow up on the kids’ schoolwork. This is annoying at best and a relationship wrecker at worst. Few people where I live communicate or plan get-togethers through SMS, which further isolates people who leave the grid. And don’t get me started on dating.

If you want to get an understanding of how infrastructures, social norms and everyday practices co-evolve and lock unsustainable and unhealthy social orders in place, I highly recommend reading Elizabeth Shove’s research paper «Converging Conventions of Comfort, Cleanliness and Convenience" [https://www.lancaster.ac.uk/fass/resources/sociology-online-papers/papers/shove-converging-conventions.pdf] or her book of a similar title. This particular paper is about household machines, but is very applicable to smartphones. Shove illustrates her main point by comparing the locking-in of social norms and infrastructures to the operation of a ratchet (I had to google what that was) which, once having moved one notch in the forward direction, is prevented from moving backwards. Similarly, what prevents a smartphone-based society from moving «back in time» is that as the technology has become widely adopted, society has reorganized itself around the technology in a million different ways. «Going back» involves uprooting newly established social norms and everyday practices, as well as the economic gains that the private sector and/or the state is now reliant on to stay competitive. In other words, we’ve gotten caught in the web that we spun together. I can almost promise you that this research paper will drastically change how you understand the world.

Anyways, my point here is that being mindful and intentional about one’s use of mobile devices is far easier in societies in which it is still possible to live a lower-tech life due to the particular infrastructures of that society as well as how these infrastructures, along with the citizens that live within and reproduce them, shape social norms, expectations, common practices, and laws. In a high-tech society, it is difficult to ignore the collective norms that have evolved due to the wide adoption of the technology, notwithstanding how mindful you may be about it. You can meditate all you want, but it won’t alleviate the stress that is put upon you because your smartphone-free life has put all the responsibility for “digital housekeeping” on your partner, which is getting more and more annoyed with you, personally. Have fun reading on your e-ink device as your professional reputation is demolished, your kids regularly miss out on app-mediated information from school, and your marriage slowly crumbles. Not exactly zen.

Now, finally, to my point about having to choose between sustainability, security, and mental health.

I hope it is clear how the Digitized Scandi Experience narrows the range of options of how Scandinavians may choose to live their lives. At the same time, living with the smartphone also carries with it a range of serious problems which have been extensively discussed on this forum already, such as decreased attention spans, doomscrolling, poor sleep quality, etc. So living with the smartphone is detrimental to mental health, and living without it can also bring with it an overlapping set of challenges. Still, I would definitely prefer the dumbphone/MK life, and try to find ways to power through.

But two of these challenges seem especially difficult to overcome in The Digitized Scandi Experience, and they are:

  1. to secure my information, and
  2. to keep my phone for as long as possible so as to not contribute as much to the ecological crisis, neo-colonialism, tech-oligarchy, slave- and child labor in China and DRC, etc.

These challenges are interlinked because most device obsolescence is software-driven, and related to both cybersecurity and to companies’ inescapable pursuit of profit margins in a (state) capitalist world order.

Mudita has promised to provide security updates for three years. This is to my knowledge slightly under what’s considered «normal» in the business. Apple provides the very best coverage at a maximum of seven years. If you have read Shove’s paper above, you might have noticed the sentence: «there are clear commercial interests in constructing and advancing towards a particular vision of 'normality’», which I believe is relevant here. Three years is not even close to enough if we are to have a fighting chance against the complex of problems that I mentioned in point 2 above. But I guess it is how it is, and what «it» is, is a future of ecosystem collapse, war, fascist authoritarianism, and gated communities for the global elite. Oh well! ¯_(ツ)_/¯

If you nevertheless decide to keep your MK beyond these three years, prepare to have your identity and financial information stolen, given that you’ve sideloaded apps that the Digitized Scandi Experience demands from you—or maybe even regardless of this.

Yes, I understand that Mudita probably cannot financially justify supporting the device for much longer given their position in the market, given the digital infrastructure that they rely on from AOSP, and so on. To some extent, they must follow the industry norm of planned obsolescence. And they are also subject to the power of Google to do whatever they desire with Android. Mudita is also in a squeeze here.

All right. So in Scandinavia as of now, with regards to the holy trinity of mental health, security, and sustainability, the MK may at best deliver on mental health, maybe on security (if you accept the social stigma involved in the dumbphone life), but not on sustainability.

Compared to most android phones and the MK, the iPhone can deliver on sustainability—although seven years of updates is also laughable (come back when you have 30)—and security during that time, but not at all on mental health. Most android phones may only provide security for a few years, and not much else. The fairphone delivers on sustainability and perhaps also security, but its screen size and overall design is detrimental to mental health. Unihertz Jelly Star may possibly deliver on mental health, but does not deliver on sustainability (and maybe not that much on security).

So what can be done about this?

To be frank, doing anything about this will be very hard, and impossible without coordinated, collective action, preferably not in the form of so-called «consumer power», which is power in name only. It is certainly not possible to do anything about this as separate individuals, or even through the aggregated effects of our individual actions (like for instance through buying or not buying this or that). We must put pressure on politicians and find ways to secure the option to live a smartphone-free life. I’m not entirely sure how we could acheive this, but i’m pretty damn sure that only focusing on tips and tricks that each individual can do to cope with smartphone hell will lead absolutely nowhere, as always.

I also hope that this post can serve as a warning to people living in societies which have not yet reached the same extent of digitalization as The Digitized Scandi Experience. It’s not fun here. It is imperative that you work against it.

But I’ve also thought about a solution which may be interesting to the Mudita team: let us pay for security upgrades beyond the third year. I concede that buying a mobile device is fundamentally different from buying a loaf of bread, for example, because in contrast to the loaf, the mobile device is continually being made and refined by the developers even after you’ve purchased it. It would be great if we could keep our devices for much longer than three years and still be fairly secure, and I hope that this payment model could contribute to that, although I have my reservations about the subscription economy. But if Mudita could do this, the MK could really hit the jackpot by being both (comparatively) sustainable, secure, and good for mental health.

Until then, I’m on the fence.

Or what do you guys think?

(EDIT: mostly formatting, typos and phrasing (while retaining meaning). + about the fairphone and jelly star + reservations about subscriptions, and also this: I would also like a small phone, but I guess that wish comes second, I mean third, I mean fourth.)

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Thank you for sharing your warnings.

I am grateful here in the USA that:

  • I can still board an airplane with a boarding pass that I can print at a kiosk at an airport.
  • Very few retailers (most specifically restaurants) are cashless, which they started because of an unscientific fear of Covee being transmitted on paper and coins and then continued in spite of the “Legal Tender” notice on our currency.
  • We have more than 500,000 automated teller machines across the country.
  • Cities sell bus cards online and at retailers.
  • Signs for paid parking slots let drivers call a toll-free number instead of scanning a QR code.
  • Garmin car-navigation devices with “DriveSmart” technology can use free Hybrid Digital terrestrial radio data to receive and display traffic-congestion information – no account and no smartphone required.
  • School and business and healthcare websites persist as alternatives to their apps.
  • Healthcare check-in’s can be done by talking with a receptionist or by tapping screens on a kiosk, if one will not or cannot scan a QR code upon arrival.
  • Monthly SMS/MMS use is unlimited on almost all cellphone plans.
  • Many Americans now will say “Not another app!” when schools and businesses and healthcare providers try to entice them to install their apps instead of using their websites or (Old-school!) calling them.

Given your (to me dystopian) situation, and assuming that you want to carry only one cellphone, I would not get a Kompakt. (Sorry, Mudita!) Any app that requires Google Play Services, such as a banking app, will fail.

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Scandinavian here, my solution is sadly to carry two phones. The Kompakt as my device for phone calls and messages (SMS and FB Messenger) as well as audio-entertainment (Spotify, Audible). When I need to use the other phone i use the MK as a hot spot, and use mobile based payment, bus tickets, banking, and so on. It is still possible to get at physical bus card but has to be done via a vendor.

My second phone stays in my bag or jacket to keep me from distractions, but sadly sometimes it slips out and distracts me when I have to use it for other things.

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As a person who has lived in Scandinavia for some time, I can totally relate with your perspective and worries. Thanks for putting them into words with such clarity and depth (btw, I would rather read a long human-thought post than an LLM-generated tl;dr :D).

I would like to focus on your proposal, which is basically the same conclusion that I’ve reached after my personal reflections on the matter: I would be willing to pay for keeping my device alive, rather than keep my money just to have yet another expensive brick of electronic waste on my shelf every 3 years. This is of course very difficult to do when the entity to persuade is a billion dollar multinational, but it might be feasible with a smaller company who has a rather direct interaction with its users.

Mudita team: Please consider this option!

In this way, the devices that you sold/sell/will sell would continue to be a source of income, so that you would not need to build and sell new products (which at some point implies abandoning the old ones) just to keep the business going.
This would also be a step towards the ideal practice of treating smartphones as laptops and desktop computers: the hardware keeps getting used as long as it’s working (and gets repaired if needed), while the software gets eventually abandoned for a new version (as happens with MS Windows versions, or with Linux distributions major releases, and so on). Not the other way around.

For example, this would not be very far from the business model of Sailfish OS, a Linux-based smartphone operating system (which is also Scandinavian, by the way…). Essentially, the users can download the OS for free to install on selected supported devices, but they have to pay if they want long-term software updates and customer service.

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@Orbis_Tertius WOW, that was A LOT to take in, but I’m so glad you put it out there, in writing. I get it, your concerns are very real. Can Mudita Kompakt can realistically coexist with a society that has already reorganized itself around smartphones, without sacrificing security, sustainability, or relationships.
As someone who’s had MK for about a year, yes, I agree that MK becomes harder as a sole, permanent device in hyper-digitized societies. I had a parking app issue when I was travel by car n Sweden last summer. But to be honest, I’ve found work-arounds around many things.
I’ve taken flights with boarding passes on Mudita Komakt without any issues. I’ve never used any banking apps (I just use cards). Yes, some friction is to be expected, because let’s face it, convenience come at a cost. So, if you’re not paying for the service, YOU & YOUR DATA are the service.
However, I’m not sure I get your concern how living without a smartphone shifts the burden onto others and damages relationships? I really have not experiences this AT ALL. Can you give some examples as to what you think will happen? Like, you don’t think you’ll be invited to events because you don’t have Facebook to receive the invite? Yea, maybe dating without app participation is socially isolating, but does anyone think that TINDER & BUMBLE (or what other app you may want to use) are the ways to TRUE LOVE? The truth is, dating app usage and downloads are declining, particularly among Gen Z, due to widespread burnout, frustration with superficial interactions, and a preference for meeting in person. Major platforms like Tinder and Bumble are losing users, with Tinder’s U.S. active users dropping from 18 million in 2022 to roughly 11 million by late 2025. That’s saying A LOT. People ar moving away from online dating, perhaps, Mudita Kompakt can be a conversation starter when you meet someone in real life :slight_smile: ? I totally get it that opting out entirely is possible, but it can also reduce access to certain social and dating networks, depending on location, age, and social context.

In the end, what I can tell you is to give it a try.

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Hi ! This is an insanely well written & insightful post of yours, I am a bit jealous :wink:

QUESTION : you really need Smartphone / Google hosted apps for all those tasks, or can they still be done on the web on a computer ?

Here in France, I used to be able to do all I need on the computer. It is still almost the case. I don’t own a car so I have a subscription to a car-rental system (kind of car sharing). It used to be possible to unlock the car with a card (or by… phoning the company so that they unlock it). I think it’s not possible anymore but I should ask them (booking on the web, no problem, but it’s a bit dangerous to unlock the car if you are far away from it :D). As it’s a semi-public service, and as the city shares those concerns regarding phones, there may still be a way.

Very recently, the temporary work agency I now work with switched from a web based application to a smartphone-only app. No more web access. Works by sideloading… I tried to exchange with the devs so that they provide an apk but they didn’t care.

I can still access the platform used by public schools (Pro Note) on the computer (but I don’t as my daughter is way too serious already ;-). No problem with the bank either. It is still possible to buy tickets for trains / busses if you don’t want to use an app or pay directly by credit cards (because, well, kids do not necessarily have smartphones).

Regarding stuff like Whatsapp etc… you can still login, then open the web version on a computer and remove the app. This is so sad Matrix has not been widely adopted : it’s here & ready, we just need some kind of political will.

I am not sure to what extent the situation is drastically different to yours, actually. But that really depends on your way of life & work environment.

About the fact there is no middle ground between a smart phone & the kompakt : well, actually, I have no idea how it could be more balanced. If it were slightly closer to the Google ecosystem, it would ruin the experience IMHO.

Regarding a decrease of relationship quality with kids & friends due to the lack of some convenience : I actually witness the contrary - as I am more mentally available to them.

It must also massively depend on whether your partner/kids/friends share your concerns of not – here, they mostly do and sympathize with this initiative. The only missing bit might be the calendar sync, although, I make do with my paper agenda and sync now & then my partner’s.

About the phone durability : yes, I definitely expect alternative & responsible phone manufacturers like Mudita etc. to offer some true repairability & long term support – even if I have to pay for that. I already paid way more than most people would find “reasonable” for less :wink: (and I LOVE it !)

Maybe turning open hardware would help ? It could trigger a synergy with other Linux phone projects ?

I am kinda disappointed only 3 years were announced ? At least, until the disappearance of 4G antennas would make sense… At least, after 3 years of amazing OS updates, just long term (6 years ?) security updates & maintenance would be OK.

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I’m grateful that you read all of it—I admit it could have been shorter if I had resisted hammering in the same points so many times. :slight_smile:

Workarounds:
If I do decide to give it a try, I’ll surely find some workarounds for some of the issues I raised. For the remaining tough nuts, I might have to just live with the friction. Payment/banking, health, travel, uni/work communication and authentication will likely be the roughest to rub the MK against, but I might still manage. After all, someone has to experience some friction for other people to become aware that certain things in life are too smooth for their own good.

Dating:
I haven’t dated for a while (I have a partner; I’m not an incel, I promise), so I honestly don’t know all that much about how that goes about nowadays. I could pretend that this is why I said “don’t get me started on dating”, haha. But in all seriousness, I’m glad to hear that there is some kind of reaction to the “tinderification” that we’ve become so familiar with, although I haven’t really noticed this countercultural tendency among my friends who date regularly. Various news media in my country still portray the dating culture as very digitized, though.

Scandinavia vs the world:
I must also stress the point—to you and to some of the non-Scandi commenters in this thread—that the variability between (and within) world regions and individual countries in terms of their degree of digitalization can be surprisingly drastic, so although some get by without too much hassle down on the continent, their experience does not necessarily generalize across borders. Just one essential practice outsourced to an app in one place or the other may be the straw that breaks the camel’s back, that is, the factor that decides whether it’s feasible to live smartphone free in any particular place.

Relationships:
The user bidinou had a good point about the dumbphone life allowing them to be more mentally available to the people in their life. I have no doubts about that, and it’s one of the main reasons why I’m on this forum in the first place. I do however think that this mental availability can coexist with the aforementioned strain that one may put on coworkers, friends, and family. The slogan here would be “yes, but also”.

Anyhow, I’m glad that you haven’t experienced any kind of social stigma pertaining to your choice of mobile device. It is however a reality that people face where I live. I have missed multiple semi-peripheral get-togethers because people forget that I don’t use this or that social media platform, and become aware of several parties only through social osmosis. And I’m no hermit, either. If I may be so blunt, I’m actually pretty fun at parties (notwithstanding the impression I give by writing in this way, haha.), so I’m not being deliberately left out. Of course, my closest friends and family don’t forget to invite me, but you don’t need to travel far out in my social network before that threshold is passed.

Another example incoming. I realize that I’m giving away where i live by posting the following link, but here is an example of the kind of relational issues that may arise when one person in a relationship goes cold turkey while the other is stuck in smartphone hell because of pressure from school, kids’ sports teams, work, etc.. The article is in Norwegian, but I’m sure it can be easily translated somehow—even smartphone hell has some cool spots (except for google translate). The article is a comment on a documentary series about the hardship and delights that two dads go through as they go a whole year without their smartphones (I’m not sure if the series is available worldwide, but then again, another cool spot in smartphone hell is VPN technology).

If we ignore the first part of the article where the author smugly portrays going smartphone-free as a promising new outlet for masculine urges, she essentially writes that she feels bad for the women in the dads’ lives, who must handle all the extra logistical work that follows from their partners’ ditching of their smartphones. Her worries are very recognizable to me, as I’ve experienced similar things as both the giver and receiver of extra logistical weight during the times when either me or my partner has tried to reduce overall screen time. Also, pertaining to bidinou’s comment, If you watch the series, you’ll also see that the families note how much more mentally present the two dads have become. At the same time, the moms seem to feel more ambivalent about it all.

What the article gets wrong, in my opinion, is that it shuns the dads for ditching their phones (and being very masculine in the process), leaving their partners behind with their feet stuck in the digital cement. But this misses the major point that I tried to raise in the treatise above; we should not blame the dads—and especially not focus solely on the problem’s gendered aspects—but also focus on the infrastructures and socio-technical arrangements that lay the foundation for these relationship issues +++ to begin with.

([9th] EDIT: I realize now that the article I linked to actually does take the infrastructural standpoint in the second to last paragraph. I must have remembered it incorrectly. But the parts about digital responsibility remain intact).

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@Orbis_Tertius: Urszula makes some good points! Mudita has a buyer-friendly 14-days-to-return policy!

Because I live in the USA, where most online retailers do not charge for return shipping, I do not know whether you expect the same in Scandinavia. In case you do, here is an AI-generated response that I got on the Brave browser to the prompt “cost to mail 1-pound package containing lithium ion battery from scandinavia to warsaw poland”:

So, trying the Kompakt could be as inexpensive for you as 45 Euros, but it will not be free.

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Thanks for the info, that was very kind of you! :slight_smile: I’ll double check the prices, given that GenAI is just as much a black box as a hot box, i.e. hallucinations abound.

There are also some MK’s on the second hand market here, although it may pain the team to be robbed of a direct sale. But it is a good point that the return policy may come in handy in this situation.

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Hi ! Definitely looking forward to know how it will turn out and work for you eventually.

The point of the article / documentary regarding “dads ditching their phones and the impact on their partners / family organization” definitely rings a bell to me, as I am constantly struggling against myself to anticipate important family matters and as my wife, although checking her phone a bit too much, has never been an addict like me (does get on my nerves, though, when we finally find some time together which is interrupted by the phone – mostly for… organization purposes though – which means : what do I actively do to alleviate this ?)

So far, the time & attention surplus clearly exceeds the lack of digital tools.
Regarding social occasions related to not-so-close-friends-who-would-forget-you-otherwise, wouldn’t a check every now & then on the computer be sufficient ?

Good luck !!

As for myself : what is the most difficult is the remaining COMPUTER addiction.

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