Non-made-in-China battery

Would it be possible to pay more to get a pure phone with a battery that is not produced in China? I’m trying not to support the regime there in any way.

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Not sure, but I bet that most of the electronic hardware pieces in Mudita Pure have been done in China.

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@Marcin_Hakemer-Ferna Unfortunately, the only battery supplier we have is located in China.

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Could Mudita comment on this? This would be awful.

@Marcin_Hakemer-Ferna Actually, this info may surprise you :slight_smile: Mudita Pure is responsibly designed, developed and manufactured in Europe. More than half ( 59% )of the components will come from companies headquartered in the US; some of the components, such as the battery, are made in China, because some components are only produced there.

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Cool. That’s what I was hoping for :+1:t2: I’m happy that 59% components are made in the US and that the Pure will be manufactured in Europe.

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That’s just going to push the price up. Why not manufacture in another Far Eastern country like Vietnam ?

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@hwop We’re looking at all our options for the future.

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Cost is king, the phone is already €350, it shouldn’t be anywhere near that for a “dumb” phone", more like €50, so anywhere costs can be cut they should be.

Never mind all this “ethical” nonsense, these people never but anything unless it’s on sale.

Just make sure that you have a reliable supply chain and scale the costs. A lot of manufacturing is leaving China right now, so it best to diversify plants to make your supply chain more robust.

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No, just no.
Cost is certainly not the most important thing.
Certainly not to quite a number of us that have backed this project.

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The world isn’t black and white. You have (had) bad regimes everywhere (current and/or in the past). No country has clean hands. That includes my country and the US.

It’s not about the government; it’s about the people. You have good and bad people everywhere. What matters is if the company who delivers the components has good ethics and practices (eg. care for environment). Eg., do they pay a decent salary to their workers? Are there good working conditions?

Saying that everything from China is bad and everything from the US is good, is a bit shortsighted I think.

I agree with this. I tend to lean in towards supporting companies which match my values.

I hope so and as far as I know Mudita a little (reading all communications) that seems to be the case.

Looking at the Pure’s price it’s not the cheapest “dumb phone”, which is fine and understandable if it’s produced with high ethical values.

If it was priced at let’s say 99 euro, you might wonder if everyone in the production chain is getting a good treatment.

If you want a cheap phone, there are tens - if not hundreds - of cheap dumbphones. I want at least a single sustainable and ethical alternative, which Mudita Pure tries hard to be. The price is high, but that is to be expected for a phone that will last me many, many years, with open source software and updates, high build quality and great design.

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Have you considered partnering with the Fairphone company? They make ethical and repairable phones and source their materials as responsibly as possible, it would be amazing if Mudita could implement responsibly sourced materials in it’s products! Here is more information about fair materials, which you can find on their website.

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Well, I’ll write this again, since it looks like you’re reading it a little differently:
I’m trying not to support the regime there in any way.

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