Wondering it could be my primary device?

Hi everyone,

I definitely love the idea of this product and I want to ask that is it possible to use Pure as primary device in modern world?

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It depends on your needs. I have compiled a list of functions for Alternative OS like Mudita or Light Phone and you can see if Mudita will satisfy your needs as a primary device.

Here is the list --> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zKJW81uWK2MAx9KTAlSKCP9uF54zxuJiVZaJsTfXJQs/edit?usp=sharing

I also assumed some of the most “essential” apps or services.

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Hey @samjieren, thanks for your question.

I think it is possible as most things can be done in alternative ways. However, it might be difficult to change your habits if you’re really used to using a smartphone.

I’ve listed some examples below. Although some of these might not be relevant to you personally, I’ve listed as many as I could think of:

  • Rather than using maps on your phone to get somewhere, you could use a physical map (either printed or as a drawing depending on the route) or another device (if the destination is particularly far away).
  • You could try using email, messaging and social media services on a personal computer rather than on a phone.
  • Reading or using physical books and libraries to source information rather than search engines and digital files such as PDFs.
  • Learn how to do things by going to physical classes rather than online classes where possible, rather than watching YouTube videos. This of course is not advised during a pandemic lockdown but there are a lot of ‘group based classes’ which people do using their personal computers.
  • Getting out there and meeting people in real life to form sexual relationships, rather than becoming reliant on screen based pornography, again this is not recommended during a pandemic lockdown.
  • Playing board games or doing physical activities rather than playing video games on your phone or another form of console.
  • Using a camera that isn’t attached to a phone to take photographs.
  • Call to use taxi services, rather than through an app.
  • Call to order food, rather than using an app.

I might have missed some things.
If I have let me know and I’ll try to think of a ‘phone free comparison’ to help!

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Hi Tiffany,
Thanks for listing out the life without smartphone and it shows the helpfulness of Mudita’s employees . Please share to everyone if possible.

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I also like to think about how people used to live before the smartphone era. They weren’t less efficient ! They were just using devices that had one or few specific functionalities. All is about learning how to do things without a smartphone back. I’ve bought an analog alarm clock, and it just goes fine ! My mom bought a GPS so she doesn’t depends on her phone, and it is also super fine !

Using mudita pure phone as a primary device will mainly imply that you change your habits, and the way you use technology daily.

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Oh, yes, of course, alarm clock! Thanks @binarysteve!

That’s something I left off the list (by accident) but you’re so right, it’s something a lot of people use their smartphones for. The separate GPS option works too as a good example!

Pure will definitely help people to change their daily technology habits.

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I was alive long before the smartphone era and i can tell you without a doubt that it is extremely easy to live without all the bells and whistles of a smartphone! we used to drive hundreds of miles without a phone at all! in big storms and bad weather! with only a map… and sometimes no map! and lived to tell of it :smiley:

i think this new phone will be absolutely Perfect for our needs. I cannot wait to ditch my smartphone entirely.

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@Missy_Painter I couldn’t agree more! I’m grateful that I was able to grow up during a time when the word “smartphone” didn’t even exist. Life was more simple & definitely less complicated! It’s time we disconnect, switch off, and look up because the world is waiting & adventure is worthwhile. Good luck on your journey!

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Ditto to what @urszula & @Missy_Painter said! I also grew up in a time that didn’t have smartphones, and was grateful to grow up ‘unplugged’.
Looking forward to returning to that :slight_smile:

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  • Using a camera that isn’t attached to a phone to take photographs.

While I wait for my Mudita Pure, I have dumbed down my Android-7.0 phone and have started to carry again my (now-discontinued) Kodak Zi8 camera:

  • Smaller than many smartphones
  • Shoots photos
  • Shoots videos in many formats, up to 1080p
  • Records to SD card
  • HDMI jack
  • Swing-out USB plug
  • Jack for external microphone
  • Threaded socket for a tripod
  • Removable battery that is recharged while in camera
  • Mountains/Flower (Distance/Close-up) switch
  • Infrared-based, key-fob-sized remote-control

I learned about this camera from someone who was shooting impromptu videos for the Web before the arrival of smartphone cameras.

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https://itsfoss.com/mudita-os/ Open source EH! Now you will have a phone running open source as well as your laptop.

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I’m preparing myself to use Mudita as my primary device as well.

Some things I did:

  • I got an old TomTom from a friend (navigation device) for on the road
  • I bought a kitchen safe, where I can (physical) lock my smartphone in, for up to 5 days, for if I can not resist myself
  • I have changed a lot of authentications apps (mainly for work, to be SMS based, instead of of smartphone based.
  • I ordered a printer, suddenly very necessary when you don’t have a smartphone, and need to print out QR codes and stuff
  • I’m convincing friends to talk using Signal, as it has a great desktop app. Although the new WhatsApp beta can also be used only on desktop. (Smartphone needs to be turned on 2 times a month, to let it keep working)
  • I ordered a special banking device (meant for old people lol) to be able to do Internet banking without smartphone.

There are a lot of challenges, but for now, I have always found some way around it.

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@Kasper_Peulen: My approach has been quite similar to yours!

  • Now use a Garmin DriveSmart 65 with Traffic (no smartphone app)
  • Use dumbed-down Android-7.0 phone
  • Use SMS-handled authentication instead of authentication apps
  • Use a printer/scanner/fax machine – e.g., for QR code for cinema ticket
  • Now tell my friends & family to email me any URLs or photos
  • Get code by SMS from bank for two-factor authentication log-in on computer
  • Use ExxonMobil (Esso) credit card instead of smartphone app for gas-station purchases at pump (5 seconds by card vs. 1 minute by app)

As you wrote, one can always find some way around using a smartphone!

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I’ve been weaning myself off my iPhone by slowly removing its functionality as we move closer to Pure’s launch date. Some things I’ve done:

  • I don’t have any social media at all aside from Reddit, and I deleted the YouTube app earlier this week. Now if I want to watch a video on that platform, I have to do it on my laptop or TV. Also leads to far less wasted time à la TikTok addicts. I only access Reddit on my laptop now as well.
  • I subscribed to my local newspaper to replace Apple News; again, far less wasted time wading down a rabbit hole of news stories (and supporting local media=win-win!). I’ve even found out about some cool local events, such as a bicycle night for a holiday light show which I plan to ride through this year, via the “old-fashioned” paper! You could also get news from a desktop/laptop web browser or cable/satellite/streaming TV if you’re into that.
  • I’m looking to get into vinyl since I won’t have access to music streaming on the Pure, and I found a turntable which I can connect to my computer to pull songs from records and load it onto my Pure for when I want to listen on the go. I’m also supporting a local record store with that move. They have a bar featuring some tasty brews where you can meet fellow vinyl enthusiasts—in person!—so I can still continue to “social network” sans Facebook. :sunglasses:
  • I went way into the deep end and purchased a standalone film camera (yet again, supporting a local business which develops film), though many on the Forum have purchased standalone DSLR cameras if you don’t want to go as far as I did and would rather use a digital camera.
  • My company has fitness challenges which can obviously be connected to an Apple Watch or Fitbit, but the app they use also has a website where I can do manual entry.
  • If you don’t want a standalone GPS, you can print or copy directions from an online map source (which can provide directions via car, transit, biking, and/or walking) or buy a physical map.
  • I’m looking for a roommate on Roommates.com, which requires neither social media nor a smartphone, and I’m working on wooing a lad I met organically at a gas station I frequent, so roommate finding/dating apps are convenient, but superficial and far from necessary.

Other than QR codes, I can’t think of anything you couldn’t do on a desktop/laptop when you need to! The water is getting warmer, and I’m ready to start swimming in a smartphone-less life!

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Thank you for the thoughtful post! Last week I printed a QR code for a pair of cinema tickets that I bought on my computer through the cinema’s website. The ticket-taker at the door then used a smartphone to scan and verify the purchase. So, you can do at least certain things with QR codes via computer and printer.

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@kirkmahoneyphd I agree with you. Although having it on the phone is a convenience for some people, I also like to have things printed & have them be scanned when needed. I traveled a bit this summer & having a printed boarding card was just so much more comfortable for me. With all the people rushing & pushing through the airport, fumbling through their phones, unlocking them with passwords- it just seems like a hassle for me. My analog boarding card was much simpler & easier to manage.

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It is entirely possible to live without a smartphone, even in today’s world. Occasionally, there is an inconvenience, but the time saved throughout the rest of your life might offset it (or more).

  • I download podcasts on my computer and copy the files to my music player or feature phone.
  • You can still get paper maps, and roadsigns still exist, both of which are legible in direct sunlight and do not run out of battery. One of my cars (the youngest, built 2016) has built-in GPS.
  • I generally listen to CDs, LPs, cassettes, 78s and the occasional 8-track cartridge, although I have either bought DRM-free digital versions or “ripped”/digitised most of these, so am able to play them on my computer and/or copy them to my music-player or feature-phone.
  • If I must have a GPS in one of my vintage cars, I have an old Garmin unit. Various web sites offer updates that have been converted to Garmin format from Openstreetmap, so I am able to keep this unit updated via a GNU/Linux computer. It would be even easier if I were a Windows user, as I believe Garmin still release official updates.
  • Other people are surprisingly friendly and willing to give directions to lost travellers.
  • I have an old point-and-shoot digital camera. It doesn’t have as many megapixels as the latest cellphones, but the pictures are sharp, and there is no delay between pressing the button and the shutter operating, unlike most cellphones, which impose a minor delay. I therefore get much better photos from the dedicated camera. I can upload the images to social media by putting its SD-card into the computer. I used to have an SD-card which could do this automatically by connecting to your home’s WiFi network, but it wore out and I don’t value the convenience enough to deem it worth replacing.
  • For 2FA, I either use SMS messages, or I use a 2FA program on my desktop computer (I currently use the 2FA functionality built-in to KeepassXC. I believe there is a compatible 2FA plugin for Keepass2). When using such programs, you should generally look for the option “OTP” or “TOTP” on the website where you set-up 2FA. Sometimes the 2FA option will look like “Google Authenticator compatible” or “Authy compatible”.
  • I access my social media, e-mail, online-banking, and so on, from my desktop computer.
  • I read paper books.
  • Where car-parks do not accept cash payments, the organisers normally allow pre-booking on their web site (accessible from a desktop computer), or you can telephone their helpline and give the location and your credit card details. This is the only time I find lack of a smartphone vaguely inconvenient as the phone-based payments tend to be quite cumbersome and slow.
  • I always carry paper versions of my Covid vaccination certificate, event/airline/train tickets, etc.
  • I find phone-based payment systems superfluous. Why set-up your bank card in your phone, then tap the phone, when you can just skip all the steps and tap your bank card?

I may have missed-out many things, but in reality, you don’t need to carry a bunch of extra devices on you. I know before I leave the house, when I’m probably going to want a camera, a GPS, a radio, or a book. I don’t have to carry the lot around with me all the time.

Additionally, you don’t have to be “entertained” all the time. If you’re waiting in a queue, talk to someone. Or just empty your mind and calm the noise for a moment. If you’re going to be waiting somewhere for a long time, you probably already know what book or magazine you want to read while you’re there. You don’t need to take your whole library out with you. The physical copy will be enough.

The key to it is not being a mindless zombie that doesn’t think. You know what you want. You can plan ahead. If you want to listen to a podcast, copy it to your phone or player in advance and take it with you. If you’re going to a party, you don’t need the music player but you might want your camera. You really don’t need to constantly carry-around an endless truckload of electronic detritus or panic when you’re not occupied for a brief moment.

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