Reviews of Mudita Pure

On the subject of GPS, I recently had to travel to a city, and an unfamiliar one at that. As I have used a smartphone within the last few years, I was slightly worried about getting to the venue on time, or getting lost on my way back. During my pre-smartphone years I’d have not thought twice about it, I’d have just done it with confidence. This really shocked me, and really hammered-home something: Smartphones in particular are eroding our confidence in ourselves (and others) and creating insecurity and dependence. They are making us feeble and in need of big G (or Apple, or whoever) to hold our hands, make us feel “safe”, tell us where to go and what to do.

Enough of that! I just looked at OpenStreetmap (a printed “A to Z”, tourist information leaflet, or any other paper map would be just as good). I figured that if I left the station and headed roughly in the direction of the nearby park, then followed the tram lines / main road to a certain retail store, I then just needed to look out for a street with a particular name… It turned out to be easier and quicker than trying to do it on a smartphone anyway. And once I’d walked it once, that was it, I knew the route. No worries about getting lost. And far better than walking around staring at a screen that just tells you to turn left or right!

I also drove from one end of the country to the other last year, just by following the road-signs from town to town. I knew approximately which towns/regions/cities were on the way to my destination, so I knew if I headed for them, I’d be going approximately the right way. This is exactly how we used to do it before GPS, and it actually made for a shorter journey time. It was also less stressful. No inputting of postcodes or street names, just remember (or write down) 4 or 5 place names in order.

To those people worried about leaving Google / Apple maps behind, please don’t forget that every single one of your ancestors from the dawn of time up to your generation, managed perfectly well without GPS. For a million years, they safely returned home at the end of the day, met, dated, (possibly) married, and had all the children that eventually lead to you, all without GPS!

Do you want to be an effective, strong, independent individual who can stand up on their own two feet, or do you want to be a fearful slave to Google/Apple/Microsoft, who is powerless to do anything without having their hand held, and who can’t make any decisions for themselves?

Why wouldn’t you want to do even one trivial little thing that would make your ancestors proud?

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That’s one thing I love of not having a maps app on my phone. It moreover let’s you discover minor streets and, consequentially, a lot of little shops.

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I’m using a dumb phone without GPS for two months now, but I think we should not overglorify what we’re doing with moving away from our smartphones.

None of our ancestors is going to be proud because we got somewhere without a map, to them it would have been the same as drinking a glass of water: Completely normal day to day life.

On a side note, I’m still super glad that my car has decent navigation. To be an “effective, strong, independent individual”, I don’t need to stop using GPS.
And following GPS (and thinking about it!) does not make someone a slave or prevent him / her from making decisions for themselves.

It’s perfectly fine to rely on GPS / Galileo / Glonass imho, because:

  • Sometimes roads are blocked. It’s way easier to be guided in these cases to find the most efficient way around
  • When you’re driving in the dark, it’s not so easy to orientate anymore
  • If I know a shortcut to the route that my navigation proposes, I’ll drive it.
  • I refuse to believe that it is easier or quicker to get somewhere by memorizing the open street map. Yes you can do it, but you need to prepare and stay attentive. With your navigation, you need no preparation at all: Tell the navigation where you want to go, turn where it tells you to and that’s it.

Apart from that, I don’t miss navigation to much on the Mudita, since most cars have inbuilt navigation by now and in cities you usually get along just fine without.

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@digitalflow I think you slightly miss the point of what I wrote. I think I was a bit unclear and probably too flippant in my post. Although it doesn’t sound like it, I think I agree with much of what you say.

I intended to write about overreliance on GPS and other similar things, not about ceasing to use them completely.

This is the exact thought-process I had when writing it, that’s why I wrote:

to distinguish between overreliance and usage of a tool. The subtle implication here “between the lines” is not that “getting somewhere without a map” makes your ancestors proud. It’s actually that the general attitude of self-reliance is what could make your ancestors proud. Getting somewhere without a GPS is a side-effect, not the main achievement. The ability to avoid the dark patterns and lures that trick the average device user into mindless subjugation are just a few small side-effects of the real skill of maintaining your autonomy, resilience and freedom. Besides, this was a somewhat flippant comment, meant in a more lighthearted manner, not intended to be completely literal.

I agree it’s perfectly fine to use GPS / Galileo / Glonass, but I would be very wary of relying on it.

I am not averse to using GPS, and I do make use of it occasionally. It is a tool, and as long as it remains no more than a tool, I am happy to use it. My concern is when people become overreliant on it, effectively causing it to cease being a tool and become a master. That said, none of your points is a particularly strong argument to me for relying on GPS or considering it an “essential” tool (I accept it might be to you or others though).

If roads are blocked, local knowledge or the diversion signs will normally already guide traffic in either the most efficient or most socially-responsible way (e.g. not through a housing-estate). GPS users ignoring official diversions cause significant problems and danger where I live, because the official diversion puts them on the main road but their navigation devices attempt to route them down single carriageway tracks that are unsuitable for large vehicles or heavy traffic. The navigation devices just see that the tracks are shorter and have a 60mph speed limit. The devices don’t take into account that there are few passing-places, a long wait at one junction and it would be dangerous to exceed 20mph round many of the bends. Thus the device routes them down a slower, less efficient and less safe route. I do accept this is a rare occurrence, and maybe this problem doesn’t happen so much in built-up areas. I still think it’s a good reason why you shouldn’t blindly follow the GPS as many people do.

When driving in the dark, use headlights. Additionally, most road signs in developed countries are made of reflective material.

I did not specifically say this, as there is no need to memorise a whole map (that’s what signposts are for). You just need to know roughly the right direction, and signposts / placenames do the rest. You should always stay attentive when driving a vehicle, even if using GPS. In fact, especially if using the vehicle’s built-in navigation: It may be out of date. I have not specifically tested my “time-saving” claim scientifically, by repeating the exact same journey or “racing” a GPS-user, but I based my statement on a handful of journeys I’ve tried, ranging from 100-300 miles. In each case, my actual travel time beat Google Maps’ estimate. It might be the case that following the navigation device would have been even quicker. But I simply didn’t need to. If you know anything of the geography of the country you’re in, you probably don’t even need to look at a map unless you’re in a city. For instance, to get from Manchester to London, any English person should know that they will go towards Stoke on Trent, Birmingham, and Oxford on the way - whether using highways or local roads. Thus, the first time a map or GPS might even be needed would be once within an unfamiliar town (i.e. “which street in London do I want”).

that’s an illustration of the very point I was making, and unless I’m misreading it, it contradicts your previous one - although for me personally, a city would be one place I’d actually find GPS very useful!

Please don’t think I’m arguing for the sake of it or nitpicking - I think we just have our wires crossed, and I think we actually probably agree in principle, just arrive at things from the opposite direction.

My desire to temper technology usage and exercise caution often gets me accused of being anti-GPS or anti-technology, but that’s far from the case, - I love technology, I just believe in responsible usage and the tool serving the master, not the other way round.

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I recently got my Mudita Pure. Just getting used to it. I have not fully switched over. I will be posting a review soon.

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please do! I’m currently waiting for mine to arrive, and would be interested to read your thoughts/review. Judging by the ‘likes’ for your post, I’d imagine a few others here would, too. :slight_smile:

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I’m curious. When did you place your order? Are you an original backer of the project or did you place your order over a year ago when it became available on the website? Just trying to get a feel for when mine will be due to roll in.

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I also plan to review Mudita Pure.

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@lessismore & @parmin we can’t wait to hear your feedback! :smiley:

I’m really interested in the battery life.

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Is pure your primary phone? Did you come from a smartphone?
I know you work for Mudita and want to say positive things, but I’m honestly curious how you find Pure using it from day to day. You probably have more hands-on time with it than anyone! :slight_smile:

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@Sam_Guzman Mudita Pure is my offline phone. So I guess, after work is over & on the weekends, I use my Mudita Pure. If that’s considered my primary phone- than yes.
I won’t lie, it took a looooooong time for me to get used to it. It really takes some intention on the part of the user. That’s why I kept writing about how this is something most people should prepare for. If you’re used to ALWAYS having a smartphone around, using it to navigate, take pix & pay for things (banking apps) -Mudita Pure will take a lot of getting used to, However, if you are already using a feature phone/dumb phone then Mudita Pure will be a breeze to use. You should check out the videos of our team members getting interviewed after using Mudita Pure (exclusively) for a week. All of us describe different experiences. One thing I can say for sure- (and this is my experience) - Being able to FULLY unplug every day after work is really transformative- from a well-being perspective. After work is done for the day, I only use my Mudita Pure.
Having said that, I know everyone’s experience can be different. For me personally, I have more free time, now that I use Mudita Pure.

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I’m afraid I personally would never get used to it in these modern days.

I really like the looks of the Pure and the idea behind it, but in these modern times it’s very hard to do without:

  1. Whatsapp. I hate it, but most, if not everybody, of the people I communicate with are using it and will never use something else.
  2. Bank app and paying. It’s the future, no matter if you like it or not.
  3. GPS. It’s a safety feature. Driving with a paper map and looking for the route is absorbing to much of your attention. And the ability to locate you in case of an emergency is really useful.
  4. Authentication apps of all sorts. Passwords will be used less and less.
  5. Parking apps. No more waiting in line with coins to get a ticket. Being able to extend your parking time without having to walk to you car.
  6. ID / check apps. Think of the corona apps.
  7. Having documents with you when travelling. More and more documents are digital these times.
  8. The ability to take snapshot photo’s. It’s very inconvenient to carry a separate camera for in case you want to take a few photo’s.
  9. Etc …

Right now I’m managing to use my iPhone as less as possible (30-40 minutes screen time per day), mainly because I don’t use social networks.

What would be a great phone that will work in these modern days is one that has at least the essential features (like the ones I mentioned) and great battery life (at least a week). I don’t need a App Store to download games or social apps.

Therefore I won’t buy the current Pure phone, but I admire the idea.

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Hi Marc,

There’s some interesting points in your message.

I don’t know where you live, I live in Germany. We might be a little bit less futuristic about digitalism in our daily live than our country, but I thought it might be interesting to list how things are done here regarding the points you listed:

Whatsapp

I hate it as well, so I got rid of it. Anyone who does not want to write SMS or just give me a call can fallback to Telegram (which I’ll check when I’m using my laptop) or E-Mails.

Bank app / paying

Banking can be done on the laptop (where it’s more comfortable) and paying can easily be done with a regular NFC card.

GPS

Integrated in the car.

Authentication

Mudita Pure lacks Wifi and 4G for its own usage. So it does not need it for itself. If you need it for another device, just use Keepass there. If this is about MFA, you can get codes via SMS often times. In addition to that Mudita is Open Source. This allows for creating our own OTP token generation app. For other MFA apps, there’s keys like the Nitrokey or YubiKey which are safer than your mobile phone (cause they don’t run other stuff which might compromise it).

Parking lot

I don’t know how it works on your side, but in here we can often just send a SMS containing your license plate to a phone number belonging to the parking lot and the job is done.

ID / check apps

I paid 10€ for a “credit card” containing my vaccination QR code and can show it everywhere. Never had a problem with that + the battery can never be empty :slight_smile:

Documents

Laptop.

Photos

If there’s even the slightest chance of something happening that I would want to take a picture of, I take my camera with me. Quality is better than most of the phones.

So as always, everyone’s mileage may vary :slight_smile:
I’ve been rocking my dumb phone for two months straight now and I enjoy it a lot.
Just thought I’d show some different opinions or solutions to some of the points you mentioned.

Kind regards,
Florian

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@digitalflow I can honestly say that at I have NEVER had a banking app installed on my phone. For me, it’s just not something that’s super useful. I’m with you on this- I do my banking on the laptop, when I’m connected to my home internet connection.

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@digitalflow, you’ll get a kick out of this story. A few weeks ago, a friend & I were going to an event that required a covid passport. I had my physical one & my friend had hers on her smartphone. It was super cold & we were out most of the day & guess what- my friend’s smartphone battery basically drained while we were standing in line to get checked. They did not let her in & we basically ended up having to go home.

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You can use WhatsApp Beta, which allows you to use Whatsapp on your desktop without your smartphone turned on. If you are on the road, you can call/SMS. You just have to inform your friend, that if you don’t respond, you are likely not behind your desktop, , and they have to SMS/call, if it is urgent.

It does require connecting with your smartphone once every 2 weeks, which I find okay.

I switched from using a bank app, to a “Scanner”, which works on a desktop.

I switched to a TomTom works perfect, and requires no internet.

All of them have a SMS or desktop based alternative.

If really necessary, you can have your desktop with you in the car, and connect the mudita to it, for internet.

I asked for a paper based one, and downloaded that on my kobo e-reader, but you can also simply print it out.

I download those on my e-reader.

I won’t disagree, but I accept that trade off :smiley: It is not that much a problem. Maybe there will a mudita v2 with a camera one day.

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i’m afraid the real problem here has nothing to do with a smartphone dying…

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@joel, I’m not sure what you mean.

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@marc67 For me, the battery is good for approx 8-9 days. However, I do have to add that at least once a day, I plug my phone into Mudita Center & obviously since it’s plugged in to my laptop, it charges a little each time.

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