I would hope they will come to take a strong stance like the Brax3 project did.
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Indeed. Hence it would be best to use a phone without a microphone, without camera, without anything really. So back to pen and paper. It’s cheaper too 
I got rid of my old analogue TV 30 years ago, and lived happily ever after And I’m not intending to buy a new one.
Agreed. We can always hope, but it’s the actions that count.
In the meantime we can use decentralized and encrypted open source software, although even that can be hacked with the right skills and tools. 
People should complain to their political leaders (if we can call them that these days…) and demand privacy. But most don’t care, sad but true.
Yeah the revelations about Agenda 21/30/50 suggest politics is just cosplay theater. People are chosen to run for offices based on loyalty to power and then pretend there was a spontaneous desire to serve the public good. Rosa Koire described it in this interview: Behind the Green Mask | Guns and Butter
Similarly I sold my last TV in 1994. Unfortunately Youtube has become the new TV for many; but at least it’s more populist.
@YYZ Like I mentioned above, Mudita Kompakt does not have it’s own messaging app, and we really cannot control how Sideloaded apps, like Whatsapp or Signal handle this directive (if it EVER passes).
It is not only about messaging apps. The system could be hardened further. For example there are several security issues with Android 12 (as pointed out by other forum users) that should be fixed urgently.
I did read today that WhatsApp (the company) is already protesting against these EU plans. However, WhatsApp isn’t really one of the most secure apps, so it could be infiltrated even without a huge effort. It would require a collective protest of all (or at least more) companies to be heard in Brussels.
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I think our Managing Director @michalstasiuk addressed a bunch of the concerns in a few posts.
Like here:
While not related to the EU, this seems relevant to add to the conversation:
This is why we need a more secure OS and security features like full-device encryption.
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ICE is just upholding the laws, which have equivalents in every country. No one is entitled to live in a country without proper papers.
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No they aren’t. You aren’t paying attention to what’s happening. They don’t need stingrays to uphold immigration laws. They don’t need to remotely access people’s phones to uphold immigration laws. They don’t need a budget larger than the militaries of pretty much every country except China and the US to uphold immigration laws. And if they were just upholding the law, they’d stop detaining people who are here legally.
And regardless, that bootlicking nonsense you posted has zero bearing on the very real security and privacy concerns that should be addressed.
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The fight against crime these days has become high tech. They’re mainly catching the worst criminals: rapists, human traffickers etc. Compare that to China, which has mobile execution vans for silencing dissidents and organ harvesting of prisoners. It’s night versus day. Freedom isn’t free.
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Again no they aren’t and also, I don’t care about your ignorant assessment. Simp for the government all you want but that doesn’t make the security threats or the issues present in the MK magically disappear. That’s the part that’s relevant to this topic.
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@bone_naga OK…let’s keep it civil. No name calling, please.
While I totally agree that freedom is not free, I’d rather say a solid repression is better than a solid prevention. We’ll never capture all criminals, we’ll never get all people comply with social norms, but prevention is a neverending loophole that eventually puts everyone in a position of an alleged criminal, and serves as a huge temptation to cases of power abuse. Panopticon for all.
Again, there’s a lot of ridiculous things that can go wrong with it (see friggin’ plant seed trade between individuals, formally illegal in Poland - good thing, nobody cares but don’t let your hand get caught*). Combine with Big Data and AI for rapid detection.
Wasn’t there a govt idea somewhere recently to get AI cloud contraption to ‘predict’ some sort of crimes, almost like in Minority Report? But I think it was around free speech shut down in the name of fighting hate speech, again. 
Edit: I don’t think I meant that but sounds about that: AI to help police catch criminals before they strike - GOV.UK
[*] - Andrzej Ziemianski in his book brought up a conversation that once happened:
(…) If you say ‘forbidden’ to a German, it means ‘forbidden.’ If you say it to a Russian, it’s the same. Try saying that to a Pole. For them, ‘forbidden’ means three possibilities at once: partially forbidden and they have to fudge it; forbidden but not entirely, as if forbidden and not forbidden at the same time. And the simplest possibility. Forbidden? Oh, that means no one knows anything and you can do whatever you want.
-Jesus Christ, I’ll never understand this nation. How have you survived for so many centuries?
-Precisely thanks to that.
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Respect to @bone_naga for calling things out. And this is not just happening in the US, it’s the same everywhere now, especially in the EU. Humanity is under siege. Either we act, or we lose.
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You’re projecting, since literally it is the Democrats and British who used the pedo services of the Mossad agent, whereas Trump was an informant against him, and the Gestapo imitators were the previous administration who put people in jail for their beliefs again and again, doing the bidding of the Davos/WEF authoritarians. You’ll never be taken seriously if you invoke cartoonish lies from the Davos-aligned media, whose mission is to destabilize the West with illegal immigration and soft-on-crime policies.
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You’re missing the plot. The modus operandi of the communists and Davos authoritarians is to attack democracies everywhere using a number of techniques:
- Fentanyl and other drugs
- Lawfare against democratically elected politicians such as Trump
- Violent protests and assassinations
- Sending illegal immigrants in, who are very often criminals exported from the prisons of dangerous regimes. Tren de Aragua were shipped en masse not just to the US but to other countries like Peru in order to destabilize those democracies.
What bonenag is doing is getting upset that the criminals can’t use phones to further these goals, which are in support of communism (the failed ideology).
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And now he turns this democratic process into an authoritarian one. Some expects already predicted he will do anything to cancel the next election(s).
Anyway, this thread is about privacy, not about Trump. And thank God for that.
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Not true, but that is what actual authoritarians (Davos, China, British govt) and their loyal media want you to believe. When any country is invaded by 7.3 million illegals, it must take measures to expel the criminals among them at the bare minimum. Western Europe has failed to do that, so now it has rampant crime and no-go zones. Phones can be used to deal with the problem, but the authoritarians seem to be in control of the EU and they will block any expulsion.
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So ignoring the rampant disinformation, what’s Mudita doing about security to protect from these increasing threats?
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Ignoring the truth or calling it disinformation won’t discredit it. You’re just showing you don’t have a valid argument. You’re an open borders advocate based on your dislike of ICE. Open borders are a central feature of Communism which failed disastrously in the 20th century, with 60 million dead in the USSR, 70 million dead in China, 2 million dead in Cambodia etc. And open borders have recently led to enormous costs and tensions in the US and Europe. But you don’t seem to care at all about the people and societies that are harmed by illegals. Instead you want to help the criminals evade capture.